We’re here to talk about your incredible album, DO YOU SEE ME? I live with bipolar type one and I was actually hypomanic when I listened to this album. I was just like, ‘Oh my God.’ How did you embrace the experience of making this album as compared to your previous releases?
Well, one big aspect of all of this was time and actually taking the time to understand myself and understand the patterns, the waves of the ups and the downs, seeing where my weak points were, seeing where the strongholds were, seeing where the high points were, seeing where my confidence drives, seeing how it is to live above it, seeing how life is on medication, seeing how life is without medication, seeing how it is when I live in spirit, where I can live above it frequency-wise, understanding all of those things. I had to live some life.
After that, I was just like, okay, how can I transcribe all of this into music? How can I be patient? How can I emulate my feelings without using my words? How can someone hear and see what they can’t see, but how can I let them feel that and see that? That’s where it all stemmed from.
On “silly boy” you say: “If you survive these crazy days, I'll jump around and sing a praise/ You can't walk around and mess with me.” You add, “Will this silly boy ever see good life again? He got like five other homies that’s living up in his head.” Could you talk about the specific experience or series of experiences that led you to these lines?
Well, really it starts off probably when I'm 18, 19. I’m 27 now and I grew up very religious. With that happening, they teach you that there are three different voices. There’s God, the devil, and you. This is before I even knew about any mental illness that I had.
I kind of always interpret everything as being something spiritual or a morality issue. I had a lot of guilt and a lot of shame that was held because I thought I just wasn’t living in faith or living in this idea of whatever I’m supposed to be, which is why these types of voices are coming. That’s where I would start off, with that section of the story. But then eventually I ended up living my own life, started to make friends, have experiences, travel, expose myself to real-life circumstances. I noticed that there was a lot of noise. I would always explain it to people, and then they were just like, ‘Oh yeah, I have those, too.’ But then I’m like, ‘No, I'm home alone and I’m trying to sleep. I’m hearing different pitches of voices and they’re not me.’ I know it’s not me because I’m telling it, ‘Stop, stop.’ I’m moving in my bed, waking up, jumping, ‘Stop.’
I ended up talking to it. I lived alone for a while, especially during COVID. I would be back and forth, just talking. The next thing, an hour passes, I’m drained. I’m out of it. I’m like, ‘What is going on? What is happening?’ I always just let it be. I would talk to people about it. Earlier days, it’s like, ‘Oh, you have demons, you need to fast, you need to get casted out.’ All these things. I had someone come up to me and try to cast things out of me, like, ‘Oh, I got a couple of them out, but you have a couple more left, so we'll get to it tomorrow.’ I was just like, ‘Dang, okay.’
Those things messed with my brain heavily. There was a lot of being alone for a while. It was almost as if the voice manifested itself because I was also alone. I know it’s a lot of genetics, but being alone, your brain kind of evolves to entertain itself.
To get to the line, it’s like, if you survive these crazy days, I’m truly going to jump around and sing a praise because you can’t walk around and mess with me. I’m talking to the voices. I’m talking to that frequency of myself that when I dive into it, it brings me down. I'm human, so the ending: "Will this silly boy ever see good life again?," it’s like when your grandma says, ‘Oh, you're so silly. You don't know you're going to be okay? You always have been, no matter what.’
That's the sentiment of where that comes from. It's the duality of all of it. You have a higher version of yourself knowing what's going on, but then you also have the lowest version of yourself being confused. I feel like when you live in those two together, that equals true faith. That's when you can actually live in a way where you never thought because you have to fully combine both of them to really see a new outcome.